Thursday, May 29th 2008 10 Comments

Converting chunks of USD into RMB…one day at a time.

RMB CashThere is an utterly amazing perk many American expats or travellers in China can enjoy so long as they’re customers of Bank of America (whom are legion, despite the fact that Bank of America is somewhat widely despised amongst many in the States): BofA customers can use their BofA ATM card to withdraw the USD in their accounts back home as RMB cash via China Construction Bank ATMs throughout China…for free.

No ATM fees, no currency exchange fees, no credit card cash advance fees, and no need to set up a CCB bank account either. Just cold, hard, delicious cash converted at the day’s exchange rate.

I used this a year ago and, embarassingly, I didn’t think to write about this useful tip until Dan over at China Law Blog just recently discovered and posted about it earlier today.

Now, the daily ATM withdrawal limit in China was raised from 5,000 RMB to 20,000 RMB in mid-2007. Accounting for the current exchange rate (6.94 RMB per 1 USD at the time of this posting), this means you can effectively move up to about 2,880 USD into China each day, barring any daily withdrawal limits you have on your BofA account. If your limit is lower than the converted amount you want to access in China, you’ll need to call Bank of America in advance to raise your limits appropriately, lest you get confounded at the ATM. There’s also the current 2000 RMB per transaction limit at CCB’s ATMs, so you’ll need to repeat the withdrawal process 10 times to get the full 20,000 RMB daily limit. After making everyone behind you wait, however, you can walk smugly past them carrying your fat stacks of 100 RMB bills. Baller.

Now, 20,000 RMB is a decent sum of cash for the vast majority of transactions. That’s about 5000 street-cooked fried rice meals in China or 714 Starbucks cappucinos. Being able to freely access and convert your USD into RMB cash should be particularly useful for business travellers and other short-term visitors. You no longer need to hassle with carrying large amounts of cash, getting cashiers cheques, using wire transfers, or going through the hassle of setting up a Chinese bank account (which would require you to bring money in first anyway). Not only do you save money on fees and exchange rates, it is downright convenient.

BofA and CCB PartnershipThe free ATM withdrawals perk has been available since April 2006 and you can thank BofA for opting to buy a stake in CCB and partnering with them instead of pursuing the retail banking market on their own. I, however, only learned about this service in mid-2007 when I needed to quickly move several thousand USD over to cover development costs for my startup, adex360, without fussing with wire transfers. In fact, BofA required me to physically appear at a US banking center just to wire my own money to myself in China. Yeah, like I’m really going to buy a round-trip airplane ticket just so I can pay them an additional 45 USD fee for a wire transfer to myself. I ended up withdrawing over several days to accumulate the RMB bricks I needed.

So yes, you can certainly make withdrawals over several days (or weeks) should you need to move more than 20,000 RMB. Of course, going to the ATM each day isn’t the most graceful way of moving large chunks of money, but it may be less annoying than having to set up, pay for, and then wait for a wire transfer that can sometimes take longer than you prefer. As with my example, you often can’t actually initiate a wire transfer of your own money to yourself from abroad anyway, thereby necessitating that you have someone abroad who can wire funds to you. Moreover, for many expats and travellers, trying to communicate with Chinese tellers when their English is about as good as your Chinglish can be a hassle as well.

There may be more good news too, as it appears that BofA and CCB has had a free wire transfer pilot program in place since late 2006 also. This allows BofA account holders to wire transfer money without the 45 USD fee or the 20,000 RMB daily limit to CCB account holders. But, before you think this is a better option than making 10 withdrawals a day over several days to move larger chunks of money, remember that you need a BofA account, a CCB account, and you’d still need to initiate the transfer at BofA in person in the United States. Therefore, as far as using this to wire your own money to yourself, it would only be useful if you’ve already set up your CCB account and you’re doing initiating the wire transfer right before you fly over from the States to China. The actual target market for this service are family members, friends, and businesses that need to move money between themselves and have the people to initiate and receive wire transfers on both sides. If you’re just one person in China trying to access your money in your US account, then the free ATM withdrawal service is still what you’re looking for…if you’re a BofA customer, that is.

18 days of free ATM withdrawals and you’ll be able to transfer the yearly maximum of 50,000 USD. Heh, how’s that for hedging against RMB appreciation and USD depreciation?

One final note: Despite the conveniences afforded by this partnership, don’t expect any service from CCB banks and representatives regarding your BofA account. The most they’ll know is that you can access your BofA account balance through their ATM. They are not there to help you with managing your account otherwise or answering any BofA questions.

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10 Responses to “Converting chunks of USD into RMB…one day at a time.”

Comment by Timothy Adam Chuter on 2008-05-29 23:43:03

If you have an account with Nationwide Building Society in the UK you can use your debit card to make free withdrawals from all cash machines (ATMs) worldwide. More specifically Nationwide will not charge you any fees or punish you with a poor exchange rate but don’t forget that the operator of the cash machine you are using may charge you. I know that there is at least one bank in China that does not charge a fee for using international cards in its cash machines but I have forgotten who! Does anyone know? For more information see: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/cheaper-spending-overseas

 
Comment by Hungrydan on 2008-09-01 23:27:27

thanks for sharing this!!! Do you know if it is still free to use your BoA ATM card at CCB to withdraw RMB w/out any fees? Many of my expats friends are asking…

Comment by Kai Pan on 2008-09-01 23:57:17

Should be. It’s a partnership between the two banks.

 
 
Comment by tryna on 2008-09-04 00:15:36

Hi. I was in China from Jan to July this year and I had the same problem with you. BofA asked me to present myself at the counter but obviously I wasn’t able to. I ended up asking my friend to help me back in the States.

Now I am back in the States and I want to transfer some money to my partner in China. I do have a CCB account there, and so does my partner. Do you happen to know if the free wire transfer thing still exists?

Comment by Kai Pan on 2008-09-04 00:38:30

You’ll have to check with BofA as that was a pilot program originally in Northern California. I have no idea if they have continued it or expanded it. Depending on how much money it is, the worst that can happen is a $35-45 wire transfer fee. Give them a call and get an answer. That’s what they’re there for, especially now that you know something like it should exist. :)

 
 
Comment by richard on 2008-09-04 12:16:04

i was in Beijing last month for the Olympic, yes it’s true that Bank Of America don’t charge any fee to withdraw money out of your account, but the problem is that ATM machine only allow you withdraw 2500RMB per day and that is equal to $365.09, and I try few times on different on machines around Beijing, same results, I pretty sure i could withdraw more than $365 in U.S, so what I have to do, it’s wait for the next day do withdraw :(

Comment by Kai Pan on 2008-09-04 12:33:35

The daily RMB withdrawal limit should be 20,000 but yes, it is be 2000-2500 per transaction. That is why I mentioned above that you need to make multiple transactions. I forget if this involves having to take out the card and re-insert the card or if you can just choose “withdraw” again after each withdrawal.

 
 
Comment by Joseph on 2008-09-12 21:07:14

Hi Kai. I do the exact thing you do, and I am glad to hear I am not the only one doing it. I have pretty much funded my business by withdrawing 20,000 RMB per day. Our company needs at least 400,000 RMB per month and sometimes more to keep things running, so I do the same thing u do. However, starting in August, when I went to go to CCB I could only withdraw 5000RMB per day. I went to the bank for 10 days straight and everyday they gave me the same story that it was BofA fault in the US. Finally after my secretary called their corporate headquarters numerous times it turns out that all of China has enacted a new law which is that all foreign ATM cards are only allowed to withdraw 5,000RMB per day.

This has seriously screwed me. Apparently there is a law in China that you can only transfer $40,000 USD into China for personal accounts. So now that I have used that option up, I have to send checks to my employee in the US, and then she has to transfer directly to the factory for me.

So a few questions for you if u have the time.

#1 - Have you heard about the limit of $40,000 per year for personal accounts in China? And if so what is the logic behind it?
#2 - One easy solution is just open up 5 accounts with BofA, and get cards for each account, and just move the money around so that u can take out 5,000RMB per account (25,000 per day). But if the law is that u can only transfer $40,000 into a personal chinese account every year, then shouldn’t this law also apply to ATM. I think u know that the people at the bank in China are useless. They say its no problem, but I am not really interested in breaking any laws in China. Just curious if you have heard anything about this.
#3 - For tax purposes, how are you justifying so many withdrawals from the US to China to the US government. My company was a 1 man operation 2 years ago, and I have found it very complicated to try to do my taxes. Our company is registered in China, HK and the US, and its confusing as hell to figure out how to do the taxes. Our company is set up like a large multinational, that would probably require a very expensive accountant to figure it all out. But we are in fact a small start-up, so I would prefer to find a simple accountant to figure it out, or just do it myself. However, the US accountants that I have found online, all say that I need someone that specializes in international accounting. Any thoughts on this?

Anyway, it seems like our business structure is similar so just wanted some basic advise. Feel free to shoot any questions you may also have back to me.

 
Comment by Kai Pan on 2008-09-13 04:44:16

Joseph,

You’re only allowed to transfer $50,000 USD per year into China. I believe Elliott here has more posts about that as he was quite the exchange rate freak for a while. Check his posts.

1. The logic behind limiting money coming into China is to prevent white hot inflows of cash that, in aggregate, could cause unwanted economic side effects. Again, refer to Elliott’s posts.

2. I believe the yearly limit is per person, not per account. What you suggest SHOULDN’T work.

3. I actually don’t make that many withdrawals. I’ve only used this trick once (over those few days when I needed it). Given that I’m not an international accountant, I’m afraid I have no answers for your tax questions with regards to your business. Sorry, buddy.

 
Comment by expat going home on 2008-09-22 21:17:15

does the reverse work? i’d like to transfer a lot of RMB currently in ICBC back to the US. can i open up a CCB account and transfer it into BofA without a fee?

 

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